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If there are 2 players left and the Sheriff is Pedro Ramirez, he draws a Jail card from the deck and plays on the opponent. When it's the opponent turn, he tries to draw a Heart to get out of Jail. If he doesn't draw a Heart, the Jail should go to the top of the discard pile? If so, Pedro can pick the Jail card and replay on the opponent. Wouldn't this be wrong since the only way out is drawing a Heart to get out of the jail and then discard some other card to put on top of the Jail in the discard pile? Otherwise it's evidently that the Sheriff will win the game as he can jail the opponent tons of times....

Q: If he doesn't draw a Heart, the Jail should go to the top of the discard pile?
A: Yes

Pedro Ramirez is powerful one, and in combination with jail is deadly, if he has luck and at him right arm is sitting outlaw or renegade.

Roupa, I never thought of that strategy before. This could be interesting...

roupa_lavada píše:If there are 2 players left and the Sheriff is Pedro Ramirez, he draws a Jail card from the deck and plays on the opponent. When it's the opponent turn, he tries to draw a Heart to get out of Jail. If he doesn't draw a Heart, the Jail should go to the top of the discard pile? If so, Pedro can pick the Jail card and replay on the opponent. Wouldn't this be wrong since the only way out is drawing a Heart to get out of the jail and then discard some other card to put on top of the Jail in the discard pile? Otherwise it's evidently that the Sheriff will win the game as he can jail the opponent tons of times....

I don't understand your point... if the non-Pedro player doesn't draw a heart, he stays in jail, and all Pedro can draw from the discard pile is the non-heart card that's on top, whatever it is.

And if he does draw a heart, he discards that, then discards jail, and then draws his two cards and plays cards or discards them as he sees fit; therefore, he can "cover" the jail card in the discard pile before it's Pedro's turn.

Magnus, if non-Pedro does not draw a Heart, the Jail goes [b:1e07404935]ANYWAY[/b:1e07404935] on top of the discard pile, and Pedro can draw it and re-play it ...

[quote:4d235f8344="lucabil"]Magnus, if non-Pedro does not draw a Heart, the Jail goes [b:4d235f8344]ANYWAY[/b:4d235f8344] on top of the discard pile, and Pedro can draw it and re-play it ...[/quote:4d235f8344]

No, no, if non-Pedro does not draw a Heart, that non-Heart card goes to the top of the discard pile; and the Jail card stays in front of non-Pedro.

Magnus , you may read the rules first, what you say here is bullshit.
The card after checking on heart is going to discard pile and Jail is going on her. So Pedro can take Jail and give it to anybody.

CAUSE:

Jail : this card is played in front of any player, who is now in Jail. A player in Jail must "draw!" before the beginning of his turn: if he draws a Heart card, then he escapes from Jail, discards the Jail card, and continues his turn as normal. Otherwise he discards the Jail and skips phase 1 and 2 of his turn, simply discarding exceeding cards. However, he remains a possible target for BANG! cards and can still play Missed! and Beer out of his turn. Jail cannot be played on the Sheriff.

Srab is correct.

Jail is always discarded at the end of the turn of the person in it, if they do not draw a card. Therefore, it goes on the top of the discard pile, ready for Pedro to draw.

Thx Rai, it isnt on the end, but after checking about hearts.

I mean, yes. It's discarded after checking the card for a heart. If it's not a heart, this signifies the end of the person's turn.

Taking the Pedro-Sheriff and non-Pedro faceoff situation with the jail card. As mentioned above the non-Pedro player can get out of the constant jailing by drawing a heart....but there is another way not mentioned here....phase 3 - Discard excess cards.

Remember as stated above that the Jail card says "...Otherwise he discards the Jail and skips phase 1 and 2 of his turn, simply discarding exceeding cards. " So the Jail card is discarded and the player goes to phase 3.

If the non-Pedro player loses a lifepoint while jailed he will have to discard a card on top of the already discarded jail card. Or if the Pedro player plays General store, the non-Pedro player will have an extra card again and may discard it on top of the jail card. *

* These two situations are assuming that the non-pedro player has as many cards as lifepoints before he is shot or draws on General Store.

Correct me if I am wrong

mrpowers98, you were correct before 3rd edtion rules ..

Now, if you don't draw a Heart while in Jail, you skip your turn completely ... no phase3 ... They did it because some players complained about Jail complexity ...

wow, that makes Pedro's ability a lot stronger for the 3rd edition.

Thanks for the update.

We ahve found this tobe a huge screw to anyone sitting to the right of Pedro (except teh sheriff) and have started playing jail as:

If you are in Jail, place the Jail card on the discard pile. Draw the top card. If it is a heart, take your turn as normal. If it is any other suit, you lose your entire turn.

We realize that this is wrong, but it keeps the player to the right of Pedro from being completely screwed. We had Pedro Conastoga and Panicing Jails just to perma-jail the character next to him.